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Old 09-29-2007, 08:35 PM
RustyBrooks RustyBrooks is offline
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Default Re: Interesting hand?

You're kind of abusing simulator stats there. If you hold A2J and you are getting 2:1 to call on the flop, it's only worth it if calling will put you all in. The future bets in the hand mean that your *effective* pot odds will be very close to 1:1.

In order to call on 3rd, you need to feel that you have the best hand, or close to it, OR you are getting good enough *immediate* pot odds to warrant out-flopping your opponent, which happens about 1 in 5 times. And with A2J it's even less likely because not only will you need a low card to outflop 678, he'll need to catch something J or higher.

678 is not a steal hand, it's perfectly legitimate hand to play, in later position, against either some mediocre up cards or players that you're better than. It's *NOT* good to play it in early position, against hands of unknown strength, with the possibility that it'll get raised behind you. It's a trap hand, like AT in NLHE, certainly if you raise AT on the button you are not stealing, more like semi-bluffing with possibly the best hand. But limping with AT under the gun is a recipe for disaster.

678 sucks bad here because there are FOUR wheel cards yet to act, all your pair cards are live, and 4 of your wheel outs are gone, and you're drawing to the worst possible 8 or 9
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