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Old 09-25-2007, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: 5/10, KK gets action - I thought I wanted action?

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why did you check the turn? there is a reasonable answer to this and a likely misapplied answer to this. i'll give a hint about the misapplied answer, it rhymes with snot patrol.

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Actually, I wasn't thinking pot control at all, this guy is fond of floats etc so I thought i would induce a bluff often. Also, I c-f AK on the turn here so c-c or c-r w/ AA/KK is a nice balance. If he bets turn I call(intending to call river) or c/r.


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since you checked the turn and then lead the river, don't you expect to get popped by a fairly wide range by this guy? i would. your turn check indicates weakness and a guy like this is all over it. he's trying to put you to a tough decision, but in my mind you really don't have one.

you should have decided much earlier in the hand what you were going to do. before you made the flop bet. assuming you flop an overpair, with an SPR of 4.5 you are usually committed against this guy. that means going to the felt and feeling okay about it. if he got lucky and flopped/turned/rivered a powerful hand don't sweat it. make the right plays and you'll get paid. instacall that river, IMO. you likely induced a bluff raise; good job.

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I agree w/ the planning idea. The flop came down and I decided I was willing to get my $ in given the pot size and his range when I bet flop, etc. However, this is just about the oddest action I could expect - I'm trying to do better than "okay i decided on the flop i was committed, put monies in." This is a very poor line to take as a bluff, since he leverages the least "threat" for the most money. Why wouldn't he bluff the turn when I check? He could even bet 1/2 pot-ish and set up a nice sized river shove if he was going to try and buy this pot.
This board is dry too, so it doesn't seem likely that he wanted to see a river to chase his draw, and then decided to bluff once he got there.

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against this type of opponent, alot of times we can extract the most by letting them maintain the initiative, btw. for that reason i'm curious as to thoughts on checking the flop. seems like he would bet with a much wider range than he woudl call with, but i could be wrong.

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This is a good point, and I checking the flop may induce action from hands that would otherwise fold - this opponent shows down too much and takes marginal hands too far, I felt the best way to extract was betting the flop. I checked the turn to look like I was giving up, and get a river call from hands that might have folded the turn - perhaps that is too fancy and I need to just keep pounding though?

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