[BigBadBabar]

no, i was just giving examples based on an ep raiser and the action's on us after x callers, since we're in the big blind, after all. obviously if there are some limpers, then a raise, and it's on us, we can be mostly sure that all the previous limpers are going to call, so it's more assured to be multiway.

position does matter somewhat, but not tremendously imo, because with these kind of speculative sooted hands, we're either gonna hit the flop big enough to continue (straight draw, pair+draw, two pair, trips, or fourflush), or we're not. if we do, we stay in the hand, if not, we don't. being in the bb we're going to be checking and seeing anyway so our relative position is pretty good.

if we hit big vs an ep raiser we can c/r the whole field, and if we hit big against an lp raiser we can c/r him if we want to narrow the field, or just c/c a draw to keep people in. and if we whiff, we're folding, so position doesn't matter a lot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]