Re: 200NL: Top Two...Horrible Turn
I fold this as played, you're drawing to a 4 outer, a jack is a pretty likely holding and there are about a zillion bad cards that may fall on the river.
I think crunny is right, with a bunch of maniacs like this you are better off treating it as a live game and raising like 6x or even more preflop, just turn the screw until you don't get called any more.
Also, I think this flop is a good candidate for overbetting, because there are so many draws out here, and with the players you described. I like a bet of 55-60 with the intention of getting it all in there and then if you get the chance.
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