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Yeah, their "untrained" is definitely not "unfit". It's someone who's quite fit and just not a regular weight lifter. Also :

Untrained

Expected level of strength in a healthy individual who has not trained on the exercise before but can perform it correctly. This represents the minimum level of strength required to maintain a reasonable quality of life in a sedentary individual.

LOL ? I know people who do around half the "untrained" weight and would consider their quality of life pretty reasonable. Weed and video games = quality.