[chuckpalms04]

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i probably lead flop. fold turn is obv good here.

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I hate that line. You are going to lose money to better jacks and you are also going to lose it to draws, because the former will bet and the latter will semibluff you on the turn when you check. The best you can hope for is that they check behind. You'll probably lose money to overcards too, because some players will call your flop bet and then when you show weakness on the turn, read you for the draw and bet .

If your bet is simply intended to fold out the draws and take the pot right there, you don't need top pair for the job. You could make the same play with 32o.

I check, call a small bet on the flop and then see what happens on the turn.

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leading the turn with a hand like hero's helps define where we're at pretty quickly based on whatever action happens behind us. putting in any more chips after getting called on the flop would have to be determined based on reads, number of players in the pot, etc.

the fold on the turn based on how OP played the hand is fine - i'm not putting in extra money to a bet and a raise with top pair/bad kicker with a gutshot, so shutting down isn't bad at all.

my first comment is how i would have played the flop, which i think could go either way but i prefer to lead out, and the second was based on how OP played the hand and what i would have done in his situation. i think you misunderstood my first post. even still, i'm not continuing with a hand like this after the flop. because this is a limped pot there's too many hands out there that can beat us, and i'm not trying to play a huge pot oop with a weak hand. being able to get away from spots like this is what helps us become winners because we realize there's much more profitable spots ahead of us.