Thread: TPNK damn it !!
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:35 AM
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Default TPNK damn it !!

The hand is from the Stars Million $500+30

Any preflop, flop and turn advise would be appreciated:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB (t9125)
UTG (t10250)
UTG+1 (t13975)
MP1 (t11575)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 (t12253)</font>
MP3 (t16997)
CO (t13275)
Button (t12650)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t6875)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t300, MP2 calls t300, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t900</font>, Hero calls t900, BB folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: (t3000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t2100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t5675</font>, MP2 calls t3575.

River: (t14350) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t14350
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t14350 (t14350), between MP2 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by MP2 (t14350).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 4h Qh (one pair, queens).
MP2 has Td Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: MP2 wins t14350. </font>

My Analysis:

Preflop : Completing the SB was fine with 2 callers

Flop : This is the first puzzle, Do you check-fold any time you flop TPNK on a multiway pot?, if MP1 or MP2 bet, I most probably fold, but since the bet came from the last person to act, my hand may be good, therefore the call; Is a check-raise better? Is leading better?, because of the size of my stack, Is it the check-raise all in better if I'm not folding?, IS the call better and then shove any turn? shove the turn just if a club? just if a non-club?

Turn : I think it was a total mistake, if I'm going all in, it's better to just lead all in, instead of check raising without any fold equity. He'd probably called anyway.

Meh, I should just fold the flop all the time until I learn how to play TPNK.
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