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Old 08-20-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: JJ set on flush board.

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more on the turn def. make it 18-19 and you could make it a lil more on the flop as well

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Why bet more on the Turn? The 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] completes the straight and flush draws. I like a small bet on the Turn, followed by a tough call/fold(it depends) on the Turn, and a check, then fold/call(it depends) line on the River.

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Betting that small on the turn allows a super cheap draw for a lone club or different straight draw, it also looks like a fishy blocking bet and allows you to get bluffed (I'm assuming you're advocating a fold to a raise?)

Talking about folding here at all seems waaay too nitty for me, people floats flops with a lot of stuff not just flush draws, I think you're giving him an awful lot of credit here. Check call on the river could be ok, but he's not that deep and I'm not hating getting it in all that much.

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if the opponent raises all-in on the turn to the 1/2 pot-sized bet, let's consider the consequences.

hero has 10 outs(9 to pair the cards on board besides J + 1 J). Assuming his outs are clean, which we can do because of the educated guess that opponent has flush or straight, he's getting around 3.3-1. He's committed $4 pre-flop + $8.5 flop + $10 turn = $22.5. total pot(115) = $45(pot) + $70(opponent's stack). 115-45 = 2.6-1

an obvious fold.

now, the hero needs to decide if his man has a flush or a straight, in which case he should fold the Turn.
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