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Old 08-09-2007, 07:01 PM
Guruman Guruman is offline
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Default Re: need some examples

warrenH,

I think you're reverting to too much of a limit mindset with your flush lines.

1F) I'd typically suck-bet the turn and river if I feel my flush is best. I could also check through the turn to induce a river bluff, but I feel the opponent will be too scared for this line to be work often.

If villain's folding most non-fluush hands here then there seems to be little value to a turn bet. Also, since our made hand is not going to improve further and we don't want to get blown off of it, it seems like checking through and then making a river decision is better than risking the stack on the turn. If villain is flushing higher, he'll tend bet a similar amount as his bluffs if we check the river. If we bet the turn though, we're likely to either get checkraised or led into on the river in a bigger pot - which is crap for us. The check-through line is very limit based line, but the logic still seems to hold true for me there. I think if you're getting two late street value bets out of a weak flush on a fourflushed board then your villain won't be at the table for long. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

2F) CR. fold to a RR; probably c-f a blank turn (a lot depends though). can you give a speicific example here? Still feels strangely limit-based, as my instinct is to try to set a bet size to get to showdown from oop - or check and see if he's going to push you off or not. Checkraising feels super dangerous without microstacks.

3F) a lot depends on the opponent. I'd most likely check call or bet fold, but every line is possible.

again, i'm looking for specific lines even vs specific villains because I need to get the concepts right in my feeble nl mind. any actualy hands played would be great.
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