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Thanks for great replies.

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I disagree. Villains actions cause hero to readjust his view on how to play the hand.

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This is exactly what confused me in this hand. I count at least 4 different ranges to consider:

1. Villain's pf 3b range
We all agree it's quite wide.

2. Villain's range for calling/shoving over a preflop 4b
But this range is narrow - {AK, QQ+}. Maybe JJ 15% of the time he has it or something. This is why I agree with Check the Nuts - I never see a call from AQ here, and we are well behind a {AK, QQ+} range even allowing for dead money. So I call without firmer evidence he is being cute. Generally IP, I will only shove if I think villain is getting way out of line 3b'ing.

3. Villain's cbetting range
This is, let's say, NEARLY as wide as his pf3b range. But the cbet size REALLY stumped me. I mean, $15 > $16 pot? That is very very odd IMO (unless I am reading too much into it!). Dunno, seems to me I would have been more willing to shove over a $12 or $13 bet. Maybe that's dumb.

4. Villain's range for calling a flop shove
Bah. If we get called we are dead or chopping IMO. So maybe the question is: how often, given preflop and flop, is villain's range {JJ-, air, AK not cc} and how often is it {AK, QQ+, KQ}.

I just could not seem to reconcile all these ranges as the hand played out. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. So I folded like a pathetic nit on the basis that I had not much money invested. Lame.

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@ Disconnected: No problem. Sorry, I get too grumpy on these forums too quickly.