[maryfield48]

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maniacs win big hands b/c a) everyone hits a hand sometimes b) bad players pay them off

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If they really are maniacs, don't good players have to pay them off sometimes too?

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this is trivially true. even so, only a very small % of the time, b/c they only hit hands a small % of the time

edit: also, note that i'm talking about big pots. sure, good players will dump hands that may be good in smaller pots against a maniac, but when all the money goes in they will be winning the pot the vast majority of the time.

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Then I suggest that point b) should be that when they hit a hand they get paid off more readily (by virture of being maniacs). Because I'm saying that 'paying them off' is usually correct.