[howzit]

whack job. . . i'm [censored] w/you. it's a good hand to play in a passive game and i'm never dumping it in 8/16. however, when i'm playing tough players who have position, there isn't much you're giving up by tossing it.

one more caveat. . .if the game is 3 vietnamese 36 year olds rocking class 4 diamonds on 14 carat pinkie rings, one 77 year-old white-haired grandma calling every bet on every street on every pot and two twenty year old hold'em players, then call as many bets as it takes to get to the flop.

anywho, here's what i think about flop and turn play: you kind of turn your hand over for the strong hand readers on the turn. on the flop, it's most likely set of 3s or broadway wrap since most O8 players won't be limping UTG w/tens or nines combo, so raising the flop and NOT jamming it when it's 3 to you puts you on a wrap draw. (this is fine cuz your equity is good) but if you factor in that this is a limped pot and that you don't have any blockers, the probability of a set of nines/tens for one of the blinds is higher now. then since you probably can't jam out the two guys behind on flop if you make it 4 bets, that backs you into a corner since you don't have position to jam a badgui turn; the turn is a money loser for you. so, generally if i have the button/position for the rest of the hand, i don't mind raising/capping the flop. but if you're going to get called down behind you no matter what you do, just call the flop/turn.

also, factor in the times you hit a J/Q/K on the turn and estimate the #s of bets you'll expect to make. . .i don't know the expectation but it's probably not much as all the backdoor lows are gonna let go.

not that i'm stereotypical or anything but in a passive game the money is won by calling down when behind and betting when you're ahead.

(i edited this for grammar mistakes and make sure the vietnamese are properly represented)