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the way u come across gvasa is so aggrevating, y do u have to say its one of the worst posts in awhile, its only gonna get people heated and start the flame wars that always seem to follow u around.

I think everything hip said had merit, I only really disagree with one thing I ll say later.. donking this flop vs most limpers unless retardedly passive and who will call with anything is not optimal... vs 95% of villains atleast the best line here (and likely the villains at 2/4 on full tilt almost all fall under this umbrella) is to cr the flop.

yes, we dont know he will bet the flop but we do know from playing and experience most villains will most all of the time so its worth it to ck the flop vs donking. that point was spot on IMHO.

cr'ing the turn is ok if the flop cks thru vs some villains as well gvasa dont dismiss ideas immediately just becuz its not what u would do. I wont debate this much I dont have good arguements for or against it, its not my standard reaction to a flop ck thru tho vs most without some metagame.

Carmine, Im assuming u ck'd in the bb and villain is utg, if u completed pre (something i never do and im sure u dont either) and bb just ck'd cr'ing is still best. Id never ck call or donk out fwiw, I dont think its exploitable either or atleast most villains arent smart enough to exploit it particularly those that limp preflop.

why donk, most villains autobet when ck'd to here atleast enough where its worth letting them put in a bet with any two cards when our equity is crushing and he has 4 3 or 2 outs currently (plus the pots small so his mistakes are larger, and freecards are less of a worry, very important). He could be drawing to runners and will just fold when u donk so why pass up the money u make when he bets those hands by donking since he ll just fold (and this is the majority of his range since we have 2 of the board cards hes mostly got air, and if he has a gutter he probably just folds as well in this small pot most of the time when u bet (debatable), u could have him put in 2 sbs on the flop by cr'ing and thats a better result for sure and PPs below T will sometimes fold to the donk but bet themselves when u ck and perhaps call a raise pretty often, all of which makes mucho bucks for u in this situation, far more than donking vs his range will. And if he has a made hand Tx or Ax its not like hes cking behind or if he does he ll give too much action on the turn most likely.

After i cr the flop if he raises the turn i guess I 3bet a bit reluctantly perhaps (not too many worse two pairs are in most utg limping ranges, a turn card below the 5 would have me feeling a bit better) and ck call the river if he caps.

as played if i capped the turn id bet call the river on a blank.

This river obviously makes it closer, but I think his range if he raises the river after a cap is probably 55 TT AT A7 and A5 i dont see most villains spewing even trips gook kicker after the turn cap (and thats not in villains range usually limping pre and doesnt always 3bet the turn vs a cr) so I think we should just bet call still since we re a dog vs that range.