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Family values are not bad. Many are probably a good idea. Forcing everyone else to live by *your* values is bad.

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While I definately agree with the latter statement, can you clarify what you mean by "family values?" I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't really understand what that phrase means.

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Obviously it's a pretty vague phrase. Waiting till marriage to have sex might be considered a "family value" and certainly has some benefits (no kids, no STD's, etc). The point of my post was to add the caveat that while family values shouldn't be assumed to be bad, forcing others to live by them should be considered bad, because you probably wouldn't want someone else's values imposed on you. "Do unto others..." Whoever said that was pretty smart.... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]