[Vern]

My experience with the NL10 pre-flop shovers and post flop overbetters is that it is better to fight them pre-flop. They will be pushing a lot of marginal hands to maintain the image but post flop, we seem to remember their big plays but they are always showing down with a worthy hand. They make their money making big value bets essentially after having set us up to perceive them as lagtards, when in reality, they are only true lagtards preflop (pushing all-in with 40%+ of their hands sometimes) but they get paid on the turn/river by those that still don't believe them. My typical defense is I will push them preflop like a lagtard, but fight them post flop like a thinking player. That seems to work much better than putting my OP on the felt to their turned straight with the 74o they called a PFR with. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]