View Single Post
  #3  
Old 07-15-2007, 08:28 AM
bkholdem bkholdem is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,328
Default Re: Gross treatment of mentally ill

[ QUOTE ]
CNN

On what planet did someone decide that the best thing to do with the mentally ill is to cut them loose?

[/ QUOTE ]

On what planet did someone decide that the best thing to do with the mentally ill is to assume that it is appropriate to be in control of them in such a way that we would be in a position to 'cut them loose'?

Here's a synopsys of the way things work with the mentally ill:

They get free checks from taxpayers and free housing as well (some choose to stay in a shelter so they don't have to contribute ~ $200 of their ~ $700 they get free every month in order to get a one bedroom apartment to themselves, these are the ones who are using drugs and want 100% of that $700 per month for drugs).

They all have access to free drugs to treat their illness but some choose not to take the drugs. They are entitled to the check due to their illness and are not required to engage in any form of treatment whatsoever.

So some are getting

~ $20K free per year (cash, housing subsidies, food stamps, free medical care, discounted public transportation)

~ $20K free per year (cash, shelter provided housing and food, as well as staff at the shelter, food stamps, free medical care, discounted public transportation)

If one of them commits a crime they are taken to jail or the hospital by police (depends on the extent of the crime I have one client who had exposed himself in public twice and was only taken to the hospital by ambulance after police responded, he was not charged with a crime or taken to the police station either time).

If they are taken to the hospital they are prescribed medication (that they are already likely prescribed and are not taking despite it's free availability) and pressured into taking it. They can sign a '3 day note' (which means that the hospital has 3 days to prepare and present a case in front of a judge why they are an eminent threat to themselves or others and need to be in the hospital against their will) at any time. Arguments such as "the person did X yesterday" is not an argument and it is tough for the hospital to make their case if the person signs the three day note. And their stay in the hospital is free as well btw. They are pressured into taking meds and mostly they go along with this. They are thus 'recompensated' a short time later and provided with recommendations and referrals to outpatient services (which are usually already in place and not being utilizied unless this is the persons first encounter with the mental health system) and released. They can then ignore the referrals, throw away the meds and prescriptions they were given by the hospital. Rince and repeat. People go through this cycle for decades sometimes. All for free to them (and significant cost to taxpayers and they are really never required to take medications despite this cycle and the significant costs of repeated emergency room visits, ambulance rides, and inpatient hospitalization stays).

If they are taken to the police station and charged with a crime and appear crazy they will be evaluated by a psychologist. If crazy they will be transferred to a psych hospital run by the state and prescribed meds (that they are likely already prescribed and not taking). As long as the psychologist deems that the person was not capable of understanding the wrongness of their actions at the time of the act (ie they thought that the cop was an alien fly and that is why they swung a pipe at him) they are declared not guilty by reason of mental illness. If they are now taking meds and are recompensated they are no longer a danger to the public or themselves and are released. Now they can flush the meds, throw away the scripts, not follow through with outpatient treatment. Rince and repeate.

Sometimes they will go to jail and a lot of times they will not. A judge can issue a rogers guardianship which requires they take medication but no one can force pills down their throat, the only thing this will do is make trips to the hospital more expedient if they are being monitored somewhere on an outpatient basis in the hospital meds will be forced) When they are relesed no one is going to force pills down their throats. Rince and repeat.

Some states are likely more strict than others and send them to jail more than others but they have access to free doctors and free medication all over. They choose to not take the meds and are not required to take the meds even after multiple trips to the hospital on taxpayers dimes even after multiple criminal acts putting the public at risk. They are never convicted of a cxrime if they are crazy at the time the crime was committed, even if they were told to take their meds in the hospital the previous 5 times they did that act and were deemed not guilty because they were not taking their meds so didn't understand their action was a crime at the time they did it.

Things are far from as cut and dry as a libral would believe (or have you believe).
Reply With Quote