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Old 07-10-2007, 06:03 PM
Arnfinn Madsen Arnfinn Madsen is offline
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If I don't believe that land is capable of being "owned" by a person, should it be morally permissible for someone to force me off of a piece of land just because they claim to own it?

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If you don't believe land can be owned, by what calculus do you think you are entitled to stay?

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I don't believe I am entitled to stay, but I do believe I am entitled to not be assaulted (as long as I am not assaulting anyone else).

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Is a man allowed to lie down in bed 5 inches from your teenage daughter and 'not be assaulted'?

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So questioning your right to own your land equals questioning the right of his teenage daughter to be left alone? An example from Norwegian law on your rights when being on other man's property (uncultivated land):

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Specific rules
A place is to be left at least as tidy as it was upon arrival. It is not allowed to leave permanent traces of one's presence or to be a nuisance to the land owner or other people. Traveling off tracks and roads is only allowed on foot or skis. On tracks and roads cycling and riding is permitted. A tent must be pitched at least 150 meters from a dwelling and a maximum of two days, unless the land owner's permission is obtained. Kindling and firewood may be gathered from dead trees and branches, but felling of live trees is prohibited. Fires are not permitted in or near forests between 15 April and 15 September. It is not allowed to tear down fences and enclosures. The land owner is permitted to expel persons damaging his property.

Gathering flowers, herbs, berries and mushrooms is permitted, but common sense dictates that it should not be for commercial purposes without getting permission from the land owner and that endangered species must be left in place. Nuts must be consumed on the spot. You are not allowed to remove rocks, firewood or peat. Some shores in Norway have deposits of large, round stones shaped by sea and ice for thousands of years. These are popular souvenirs for tourists and as a result many such deposits have been emptied.

Canoeing, kayaking, rowing and sailing in rivers, lakes, and ocean are allowed. Motorised boats are only permitted in salt water. All waters are open for swimming.

Hunting rights belong to the landowner, and thus hunting is not included in the right of free access. In freshwater areas such as rivers and lakes, the fishing rights belong to the landowner. Regardless of who owns the land, fresh water fishing activities may only be conducted with the permission of the landowner or by those in possession of a fishing licence. In salt water areas there is free access to sports fishing using boats or from the shoreline. All fishing is subject to legislation to among other things protect biological diversity, and this legislation stipulates rules regarding the use of gear, seasons, bag or size limits and more.


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