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Old 07-09-2007, 03:49 PM
LuckyTxGuy LuckyTxGuy is offline
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Default Re: Ah, Commerce. Two tales: Little Criminals & Perfect Timing

As for Story 1, I can't really say...if that is the only thing you saw, then no, I don't think that is collusion. If there were alot of other unmentioned things then maybe so.

My wife and I both play poker and we often end up at the same low limit table which is fine but -EV for us. While I enjoy playing with her, she plays 2+2 SSHE style as do I. Contrary to the average $4/8 players beliefs, having my wife there is not +EV. I want a table full of donkeys who see every single flop. It is very rare for my wife and I to go past the flop when we are both in the hand....not because we are colluding but because the flop that hit me often misses her. We've been accused of colluding two times and I've heard grumbles a couple times before. What these morons don't realize is, I play her harder than the fish.

Example: I raise PF with pocket 10's. I flop a set on a rainbow board and check. She leads out, one caller, I call. Turn in a blank, she bets, other player drops out and I check-raise her. The dealer and half the table go wild laughing. She jokingly gives me a dirty look and calls. River is a blank, I bet, she raises, I re-raise, she calls and I turn over a flopped set to her KK for an over pair. I rake the pot and have that same joy that you have when you bust your buddy in a big hand.

15 minutes later we haven't played a hand together again and we are accused of colluding by 50+ year old woman who is a regular nit and plays at the table with her husband about 30% of the time. The dealer laughs and says she doesn't think we're colluding but quietly says "she'll keep an eye on us". 5 minutes later regular nit is down another rack and neither my wife nor I have played a hand. She again accuses us of colluding but this time says we are also colluding with a fishy tourist husband and wife team that we've never met before they just sat down. Finally the dealer says "did you not just see him trap his wife for a check raise, then hammer her on the river???? They aren't colluding." Nit says she's going to have to talk to the floor because "she's a regular and they know her" They also laugh her off. I found alot of the exact conversation out after the fact because I'd heard enough whispers to know what was going on and I asked the dealer when I ran into her while she was off work at another casino. I also talked to the floor and they said not to worry about it because she was always blaming someone for something.

My point is, I know colluding goes on but don't assume just because you saw one little thing that they are colluding. In most cases the husband/wife duo aren't smart enough to collude. Again, you might have seen alot more but you didn't include it in your OP. Having been on the "accused" end just because my wife is at the table, I know how stupid some of the accusations can be.
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