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my only problem with your thought process is this:
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If he checks river and you miss id probably check behind. your hand has some showdown value. i think if you call the turn your hand looks like a possible draw and he is likely to look you up pretty light (he is hardly ever folding better hands, or calling with worse)


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if we call turn our hand can ONLY be a draw. i know were getting direct odds, but hes only putting money in on the river if he hits a better draw, or if river blanks and he has a legit made hand. i think we get stacked pretty often if we call turn, hit one of our outs on the river, and then mange to get all in.

not sure what you mean by "likely to look you up pretty light". do you mean we shouldnt bluff the river on a blank if its checked to us? thats reasonable, but i dont think he ever checks both the turn and river, after ch/r the flop, with any hand that he plans on ch/calling a river bet with.
correct me if i misunderstood you