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Old 06-28-2007, 10:42 PM
sickofants sickofants is offline
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Default Re: Going to war with KK preflop

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Phil gordon did some weird calculation. In first position on a 10 handed table there is a 4% chance of running into aces with kings.
Less on a 9 handed and in a later position.

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I haven't read the book but this agrees with my calculations.

It's not really that complicated to work out:

There are 6 ways to make AA (4C2)
There are 1225 hand combinations left (50C2)
There are 9 players left

So the probability of running into AA with KK (or any other hand without an Ace) is:

9*(6/1225) = 0.044... = 4.4%

The probability halves if you have a hand containing an Ace and is about 0.7% if you have the rockets yourself.

I suspect this is pretty common knowledge to a lot of people but I just thought I'd take some time to practice my math and inform those to whom this information wasn't known (hell, I didn't know untill I just worked it out!)

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Forgot which book says it but I think it is closer to 1 in 10 or 10% of the time. It was a 2+2 book.


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If you were playing 21-handed, this would be true. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I should also say that I am NEVER folding KK in the spot that you described and I'd be hard-pushed to find any other spot where I would fold them either.