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SilentNoise: Ok, maybe i miscounted the opinions.

Vee Quiva: Which part of our "read" (17/12) tells us what his 3bet range and his double barrel range is?

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I think this is a great point. Does being selective preflop truely tell us how a player will act on the flop, turn, etc...

Is is completely out of line to find a player who is selective preflop, but pushes their hands hard post flop.

Also, imo if I was on the button and the utg player flat call my flop bet, I would read this as a scared over pair and shove the turn, expecting a fold.