Thread: KQ turn spot
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:11 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: KQ turn spot

"ILP, there is plenty of information available: the strength of your hand for that board, the general tendency of players in that game to overplay weaker hands vs. their tendency to wait for the turn to check/raise with their very strong hands."

We have no information about this opponent meaning there is no way we will no how to react to a 3bet. As far as the tendencies of the average player in these games....Well I dont play on the Stars 15-30 game, but I do play in the FT 15-30 and AP 15-30 all the time, and this turn check/raise still = two pair or better most of the time.

"One reason I (and probably most of us) can't answer this question that well is that we don't have access to a lot of the peripheral info that was available to BK."

Exactly, If you dont know, call down. Limit holdem really is that simple in many cases. BK has not given us enough information to conclude that any line is better than call down. And this leads me to another point. Calling down should be everyone's default play here. 3betting the turn or call raising the river UI or folding the turn should be read-based plays in this situation, and all we know is this guy is a moron, thats not enough.

"Often, if it is close I take a cautious approach and just showdown here without a further raise. Sometimes, I use very marginal clues to put in one more aggressive action. It could be something as obvious as seeing check/raise second pair on the turn before to seeing him fastplay a flopped two pair earlier."

Sounds good to me, thats how I play poker.

"I think your standard for information is way too high here. Yes, it would be nice if we had played 1000 hands versus this guy and watched each one carefully, and then it would be obvious what to do. But it wouldn't take a whole lot of information for me to suspect this player would play almost all Kx hands like this, and if that were the case I would definitely be looking to put in another raise on most rivers."

Trust me, my standard for information is not too high here. Just like you Sweetjazz and most 2+2ers I am adept at making very good inferences even after just 1 hand. We essentially have no information on this guy.
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