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[censored] EXPLAIN THOGUHTS PEOPLE. IF YOU THINK ITS GOING TO ENCOURAGE ACTION, THEN FROM WHAT HANDS? Lets see some calling ranges.

Here are sample ranges that would make sense to raise-call, even though a bunch of broadway cards were also added to his range.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.483% 58.75% 00.74% 585444000 7336914.00 { 66+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 40.517% 39.78% 00.74% 396443100 7336914.00 { 77 }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.945% 49.39% 00.56% 918378516 10383498.00 { 22+, A9s+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 50.055% 49.50% 00.56% 920416632 10383498.00 { 77 }

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Sorry but this is extremely unconvincing to me. The 10% difference in equity is nice but really not that big a deal. Also you allow the pot to be called when you just raise. The money in the pot incraeses your stack by about 1/6th, I think its completely insane to make some standard raise to maybe gain 10% equity on the freaking bubble!! I mean you go from 30k to 35k by just stealing the blinds which is RIDICULOUSLY IMPORTANT yet people seriously want to encourage action here?

Honestly I just think it's just terrible to not go allin, sorry I keep repeating myself. A clear example of trying to overcomplicate things to maybe gain some small amount of EV, which I'm almost completely sure you are not going to get.


FWIW if Exitonly is exactly correct about those ranges, and no one will ever call us but only reraise, our chip EV between the two plays is worth about a third of a BB. We are really going to go this crazy on the bubble for the possibility that if everything breaks perfect, our chip EV goes up by about 1000 when stealing the blinds gets us from 30k to 35k? The fact that we instantly make more money if someone else busts means that this confrontation will be worth clearly LESS than 1/3rd of a BB, the only question is how much less. So MAYBE itll be worth 1/5th of a BB more than going allin if everything is almost exactly perfect. You simply don't do this crap on the bubble with a hand like 77.


The only way this play makes any sense is if they are raising pairs under 77 when we make a standard raise, but not doing so if we go allin (ok maybe if u can get some hand like A6s to go crazy too). Otherwise you've just encouraged action that you are clearly opposed to.