[The DaveR]

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like you gain any deception, you may as well fire away. You simply have way way too much hand.

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What do I gain? Tatts is not folding, ever. If I thought he would 10% of the time, I'd 4-bet. I allow Doug to gain deception by 5-betting the both of us with position and I do think he'd do this with a bit less knowing I'd be more prone to give up OOP with tattoo between us as DFM would love me out of the hand to play tattoo HU. I need not be first to act in a mega-bloated pot with a possibly dominated hand. Calling allows me to c/r protect my hand on most flops as regardless if my hand is "face up", we both know that DFM continuation bets 100% of the time regardless of the flop texture and I get to shut tattoo out.

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You don't 4-bet because you want deniro to fold. You do it because your hand is a massive overlay vs the range of hands at play. If Doug is that likely to "cap for deception", that's all the more reason to 4-bet. It's the same reason it's a mistake to check behind on the river with a marginal hand vs. someone who loves to bluff raise. Give them the opportunity to spew. Your hand is a freaking monster. Honestly, I can't even believe we are discussing it. Not 4-betting is simply a EV bad play.

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I think preflop is a super-easy 4-bet. Tight players only have AK/JJ/TT when they coldcall there.