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If you are taking 50/50 games to stay at a 11bb stack you must have a 5bb stack if you gamble with a 11bb stack you have a 23 bb stack or bust with 23 you can do so much in spots where cards don't matter while with 11bb cards matter a lot more.

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I read this four times and I have no idea what he said.

Betgo as others said you really need to give an example of folding a +cEV shove with 12bb along with a justification that shows where you make up the EV later.

Without that, all you're saying is that there are fewer +EV shoves w/ 12bb than w/ 8bb, and that you're ok with that.

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I am not folding a significantly cEV+ shove with 12xBB. It is just that there are not that many cEV+ open shoves with 12xBB. In fact, I may miniraise with 12xBB and let people guess if I have a big hand or a marginal hand.

With 12xBB, I am looking more to reraise than open raise.

A lot of the point of my post is that there are not a lot of good situations to open push 10-12xBB. Of course if it is folded to me in BTN or SB, I usually push with that stack size.