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Old 05-24-2007, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: River Decision in $109r

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Please post more in this forum DJ.

We're checking preflop because with these stacks he WILL be complete/shoving as a bluff very often. Basically the idea behind completing with these stacks is that raising sets up a pretty good resteal spot for BB, so you complete a bunch with the threat of a complete/shove a very real possibility--that way you don't have to just give up your SB a huge % of the time.

Basically, if we're raising here in the 109R, it's to call a shove. Obv that's annoying because A6o just isn't that strong. If we check, we get paid off well often when we hit our ace, and we get to just check it down/snap off a bluff with A-high a good amount of the time too.

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OK, i'm with you if thats how things go down a lot of the time. And i'd definitely not like to get it in with A6o, even if he's got air much of the time, because AXo is not much of a favorite against anything except a dominated hand with the same X. However, I fail to see how in an aggressive higher stakes tournament, complete-reraising as a bluff is at all a successful play. First of all, you have to balance it by completing huge hands sometimes too. And that just seems terrible, because
a) you give him a free shot to bust you (and no you probably wont get away from that AA/KK that you slowplayed when he hits 2 pair or something on a board that looks good to you, and you're gonna feel like crap afterwards and probably steam off whatever you have left)
b) if the games are so aggressive, then your open raise from the SB will get played back at more anyhow, so you stand a good chance of getting it in as a huge favorite anyhow by just raising it.

I can only see complete-reraise bluffs as a viable move if the BB is always raising your complete with a wide range (seems reasonable) and he also gives you too much respect when you do it (i'm sure there are players like this out there, but not the good ones).
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