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100%, I dunno. But Im of the opinion that if you start using a godo PWO shake you can see some steroid like gains right off the bat, or at least a lot more than you normally would.

fwiw, I use either surge, or after max, which is 2:1 dextrose:whey protien. I drink 400-500 cals pwo while bulking 15-20 minutes after leaving the gym, and I sip on about 150 cals worth during the workout. While cutting I just drink 400 cals worth 15 minutes pwo.