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His argument is actually that the government owns all the land and the people just rent from them I think. And he's right.

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Government *controls* land. This is different than *owning* it.

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You are wrong. This should help clear things up...

When Russia sold Alaska to the people of the US acting through their govt for $7.2M in 1867, the people of the US took ownership of the territory.

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When you counter a normative argument with a descriptive one, you always "win", because the normative argument will be something other than the status quo (unless your normative argument is that the status quo is what should be) while the descriptive argument *is* (by definition) the status quo. "X might be nice, but it's tough because X isn't what we have now." Duh.

If you want to have actual meaningful discussions here, I recommend you figure out the difference.