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Old 04-30-2007, 02:55 AM
jstill jstill is offline
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Default Re: 4-8 Live: 44 flops set against PFR

I dont hate not raising the flop, but I generally do it online not sure it matters a ton, but heres my thinking.

sb will have a non A hand he continuation bet about half the time, so much more than half the time u want to get 2 bets in vs 2 people on the turn it wont happen, as UTG will fold the turn on occasion as well when sb bets again and u called behind on this flop. The other half of the time when sb does have an A, utg will still fold the turn sometimes(now actually more frequently since there are less TP combos for him to have) and if sb is aggro Id like to give him the chance to put more bets in since we have a strong hand. I find most players will 3bet the flop here with AK-AT when u raise (or call to cr the turn), but will very rarely 3bet a turn raise with those hands (almost never esp in a protected pot unless theyre a huge spewtard). They actually should 3bet those hands to try to move UTG out of the pot on the flop on most boards here. Altho on this drawless board its far less of a concern, but people still like to face people w/ 2 bets cold as much as possible to push people out of the pot and try to avoid bad beats. And they figure to be ahead of ur range since u limped preflop so they instantly put u on a weaker ace. If u raised the flop and sb 3bet, I would call and raise any turn probably just calling down from a turn 3bet. As playing AK this way would be quite a spew and people dont always raise A9o out of the blinds vs limpers, so I figure we're behind something like 2:1 at that point or maybe even money.

U should cap the turn here and then call a river lead, as played bet call the river. Honestly though Im really surprised if this guy bet 3bet the turn here with TPGK unless hes one of those types thats always worried about getting sucked out on and really over values driving the middle player out of the hand with a 5 3 or 2 outter (very possible, seems many live players fit this description).
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