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Old 04-05-2007, 01:38 PM
Felix_Nietzsche Felix_Nietzsche is offline
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Default You Think Conspracies are East to Pull Off.....Not So.

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Why would Bush be proposing legislation. He's overstepping his Constitutional authority and venturing into the Legislative branch of government.

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Bush has first amendment rights like everyone else.
He can propose any ideas that he wants to. He just can not create a bill. The bill MUST originate from congress....

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Just curious what your thought is on the following hypothetical:
A sitting president/executive presents Congress with evidence of bad weapons (we'll call them WDMs) in a fantasy country called Irak. Does Congress have the power/duty to independently investigate the executive's reports? What level of responsibility should Congress have if they act on the reports presented by the Executive? Is it a "fair" argument to critique those in the opposition party to the executive that several/many/most legislators in the other party voted for a war based on this bad evidence if you believe that Congress has limited constitutional authority to investigate such matters?

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Your example does not represent reality so it is moot.
Here are the facts.
1. The CIA is the central govt agency for collecting foreign intelligence.
2. The CIA disseminates intelligence to the executive and the legislative branches.
3. Not everyone on the legislative branch is brief by the CIA. Members of the intelligence committees and certain leadership positions are privy to this intelligence. Patrick Leahy (VT) use to be on the Senate Intelligence Committee but he was kicked off the committee for leaking secrets to the media to kill defense spending he disagreed with (he is a total dishonest scumbag who violated his oath).
4. These intelligence committees are bipartisan.
5. The members of the intelligence committees get the SAME intelligence as the president. The only difference is the president can elect to get daily briefings while the intelligence committees might only meet once (or more) a week. So by the end of the week, the intelligence committees will ALWAYS have the same info as the president.
6. For an intelligence conspiracy to take place ALL the following would have to occur.
(a) Senate Dems and Senate Repubs on the intelligence committee would have to be in the conspiracy.
(b) Congressional Dems and Congressional Repubs on the intelligence committee would have to be in the conspiracy.
(c) The President and Vice-President would have to be in the conspiracy.

A conspiracy is only as strong as its weakest link. John Kerry (D) is a member if the Senate intelligence committee. Do you think he is in this conspiracy? Talk Radio had weeks of material playing sound clips of Kerry, Edwards, Reid, Clinton, and other Dems saying Saddam had WMD. Now that the polls have reversed in support of the war, they sing a different song. These people are complete hypocrites...

The fact is Saddam had chemical weapons because he used them on the Kurds and the Iranians. After Gulf War I, Saddam spent years thwarting the armistice to allow the UN inspectors unfettered access in Iraq. He never completely complied. Inspectors were regularly denied access to certain sites. We know he had WMD; the question is what happened to them? Know one can answer this question.... Not even you.
But it sounds "cool" to fabricate a conspiracy involving the president....doesn't it?

Then there is the conspiracy that the CIA was pressured to fabricate WMD intelligence. Same situation applies.
(a) You would need all the major CIA dept heads in on the conspiracy.
(b) You would need all the rank and file CIA members in the WMD dept to be in on the conspiracy. After all, one whistle blower and the entire conspiracy blows up.
(b) The Senate and Congressional oversight committees would have to be sleeping. These oversight committees control their budget so the weild a BIG stick.

The fact is no one in the CIA has ever been indicted nor has proof been produced that WMD intelligence was manufacturing WMD intelligence. If anything, the CIA has a HEAVY Democrat bent. After all, war critic Joe Wilson was sent to Niger and he was NOT required to:
1. Sign a confidentiality agreement about his mission. So he was free to discuss his 'secret' mission in a New York Times Op-Ed and write a book if he wants to on his experiences on that mission.
2. Write a written report.
These facts STINK of CIA partisanship against Bush.

You speak of conspiracies too lightly...