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However, do on-line casinos have a huge incentive to run an honest business, and a huge disincentive to run a dishonest business? Yes, and I don't see you acknowledging that fact.

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Where did I deny that's a possibility? Please quote it. You, however, have stated that it's basically unfathomable the other way. Which is totally wrong. It's very possible.

Of course that's a fact. Many do, and should do, this. The problem is you're saying everyone is running them legit. You have no real way of knowing that for sure. You're acting like it's black and white. Far from it. You have no idea who's fingers might be in some of the pies on those sites.

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Did Enron's corporate officers loot the company for their own personal gain? Yes. Those men are now in disgrace, and will never serve as a corporate officer in a publicly traded corporation ever again. All their education, years of experience and hard work are pissedaway and they will never be trusted with other people's money ever again.

Also, their company is in disgrace. No one will ever trust Enron or invest their money with that company again. It is in ruins, unable to make a profit. And because Enron was publicly traded, the corporate officers are both criminally and civilly libel.

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There really isn't any recourse, legally, if an online site screws you. Dutch Boyd comes to mind again.

As far as I know, no site has given full consent to thoroughly look at their whole program and how it runs. Kawawhatever seems to farm that out to another place. Just looking at an RNG isn't really that much. It is very easy to jack around in a comp program and make something very subtle. That's what you may be missing. It doesn't have to be anything major and noticeable. Just a little subtlety can generate quite a bit of cash. Especially when you're talking about the volume of hands they're getting.

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You point to examples of corruption in B&M casinos as evidence of likely corruption at on-line casinos. This is not a like-to-like comparison. In a B&M casino you have possible collusion with dealers, players marking cards and other practices that are just not possible in an on-line casino.

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There is alot more open ground for cheating in an online casino. There just aren't that many levels watching everything. You're actually going to say that stuff can't be done? Both internally(program-wise) or on a table? Please. That's just an absolutely ridiculous statement.

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Most casinos today, B&M or on-line, are corporate-owned. Remember, those corporations are run by greedy capitalist corporate officers. Those greedy capitalist corporate officers crave oversight and regulation because oversight and regulation helps eliminate corruption. And corruption is harmful to long-term profits

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Yes, feel free to tell that to the members of the Teamsters union that helped fund some of those casinos(through their pension funds) w/o even asking their members.

I looked at the Kawa-whatever site and how they regulate it. It's a joke. It's a feel-good deal that tries and makes everyone feel safe about online sites. The only thing I could figure if someone paid a fine was that if they didn't, they wouldn't be part of their group. Kind of like the BBB. Big whoop. One should still be aware that anything is possible in that sort of medium.

There still isn't really any recourse or anything they do if they find anything and the site doesn't want to pay anything. Again, I saw no claim on there of any wrongdoing of anyone. Figure in all this time, there'd be at least one.

To say it's impossible just because you wouldn't do it(even for obvious reasons which I agree with) is wrong. You're looking at the whole situation with blinders on. That's not the same as saying all sites are bad or anything like that, which is what you seem to think I'm implying. It's not. I'm saying be aware of the possibilities. They are very real.

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