[Skidoo]

[ QUOTE ]
And he cited Rome and Greece as general examples of economies flourishing because of states, and he very much implied that the poor in these societies were better off thanks to the states. In reality the poor in these societies were not cared for by the governments who got around the issue by declaring them non citizens. They were still taxed to varying degrees and subject to Roman and Greek laws, and there is no reason to assume that they were better off with a state being the dominant influence in the area than if there wasn't one.

[/ QUOTE ]

All that proves is that beneficiaries of the state flourish and victims of the state suffer. Nothing new there.

That is why the American people created their own state with themselves as beneficiaries.