[Micturition Man]

I mostly agree with Beavis.

These hands should definitely be playable in various circumstances (getting in cheap, getting for a bet in a very multiway pot, stealing in a favorable steal position).

But I don't see how they could possibly be 'some of the best' starting hands.

Also based on twodimes I don't think you should be peeling 4th versus an improved low unless the pot is quite large.

Cold-calling on 4th after bricking seems like it could not possibly be correct.

I would venture to say they are worth about as much a pair of the lowest rank (e.g. KQTs is worth about the same as split tens), except they do not suffer as much from having overcards behind them on 3rd or from getting multiway action.