[grandgnu]

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Yeah there's basically no way 2bb per hour is possible in a full live game. 20/40+ people are moderately less retarded. Lower and the rake hurts too much.

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I agree that lower the rake hurts too much. But perhaps you're comparing bb/hr winrates from Hold Em with these other games?

I believe in LHE a good player can expect to earn 1-2bb/hr or so? O8 is significantly different in that regards, as many strong players regularly took in 3-5bb/100 hands playing online.

I know that live play is much slower, so you won't see as many hands per hour. But I find live players to be much worse than the online games I've played, and still believe my 100-300/hr is conservative in a full-ring 75/150 O.E. game with at least 2 really bad or 3-4 moderately bad players in the mix.

I don't discount the possibility that I'm wrong, as my sample size in that game and knowledge of the regular lineup is nowhere near a significant sample size.