Re: 3 way FD
Pot size analysis:
3 SB preflop
12 SB on the flop
Total = 15 SB = 7.5 BB.
Suppose you *KNEW* it was going to get capped on the turn even before you put a single bet in the pot.
Expected bets from villain on the turn: 8 BB
Total expected pot size: 15.5 BB
Amount you would have to put in the pot: 4 BB
Pot odds = 3.75:1
If you expect to get one bet from one villain on the river flush card, you would have better than 4:1 to call.
This means that (if all your outs are live) that you are getting proper odds to call. And if it doesn't get capped (and that you get zero bets on the river if you flush):
One bet: 9.5:1 <--- Good for as few as 4.5 outs
Two bets: 11.5:2 = 5.75:1 <--- Good for as few as 7 outs
Three bets: 13.5:3 = 4.5:1 <--- Good for as few as 8.5 outs.
Given just a couple bets of implied odds, you can lower the minimal number outs by 1-2 depending on the exact situation.
Also,
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Many times these two guys will get into a pissing match on the turn
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If this is the case, why do you have to assume that you're drawing dead to a better flush or a boat? Let them piss at each other, and then laugh when you suck out on the end and they pay you off. If one of them has a set, then you lose a couple outs (but you'll still do okay). If one of them has two pair, you lose a couple outs (but you'll still do okay).
There is absolutely no reason to assume that it's going to get capped and that you're in the worst case scenario. There's no way I would fold a flush draw to a single bet on the turn getting 8.5:1, even if I thought there would be lots more action.
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