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Old 01-03-2007, 05:05 PM
Somekid Somekid is offline
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Default Re: NL25: JJ vs. preflop RR

Hmm, I still dont think I understand why I should be calling the flop and trying to get all in on the turn. Here's how I was thinking about it:

My opponents range (as a conservative estimate) is 88+, AQs+, AKo. Also if he has a much wider range, odds are, the weaker hands are going to either fold to my flop all-in or c/f the turn. I also think it's unlikely that he has a strong made hand here.

So by pushing I fold out 88,99,TT, and sometimes QQ. KK and AA are going to call. I also fold out most broadway cards with the exception of NFDs with overcards. Combo draws will probably call my all-in, but even in cases where I'm not a favorite, the dead money makes pushing okay.

Now I have trouble seeing why calling the flop is better. I was thinking about the following scenarios:

If villain has AA or KK, he'll probably fire again on the turn in which case i'm getting all-in anyways. So this line doesn't really save me anything vs. a higher overpair.

If BB has overcards or a blank turn hits, he'll probably check fold (I doubt BB will call a turn bet here). Additionally if a heart or a Q,K, or A falls, I'll have trouble playing the turn.

So it seems to me that the only times calling the flop would be better is if it allows me to get away on the turn when I'm beaten. As played, I don't think this is the case. That is, since the BB is unlikely to call me on the turn with something I beat, and I'll probably have to fold to a second bet (or get all-in which would have the same effect as pushing on the flop), waiting until the turn to get all-in seems to only help my opponent. Calling the flop and hoping to get all-in on the turn would be good if there was a way i could get BB to call me on the turn when I'm ahead, which I don't think is ever going to happen.

That being said, I'm fairly new to NL so maybe this thinking is all wrong.
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