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WELL I THINK ITS VERY EASY TO SEE, THAT BETTING HAS NO VALUE HERE CUZ THIS GUY IS NEVER FOLDING A BETTER HAND,


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IF THE HERO HAD A LOWER FLUSH DRAW WITH NO SHOWDOWN VALUE, THEN I WOULD BET THE TURN CUZ MAYBE WE CAN GET A BETTER HAND TO FOLD NOW.


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Maybe you want to clarify your contradiction [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I think we bet A7o to fold hands that we DO beat that have 6+ outs against us. The pot is pretty big so I really wouldn't care if he folded. Because of the board , our position and our hand, having the best hand means fairly little in this situation. If he calls, are you c/c the river? Id almost as well have any two cards when I bet the turn with A7o.

As well you can fold out the odd hand like A9o. A lot of people would fold middle pocket pairs here too now that the queen came up.

About betting and c/cing with A7s, ILP brings up some very good points. If he's a showdown bound LAG then I think he's definitly correct. If he's folding hands like middle pairs to the bet (a queen + PF 3-bet is pretty indimidating even to many lags) yet also raising hands like OESD or FD that you beat, I think its pretty close between the two. I'd maybe lean towards betting. It also depends on his PF range, because a tighter LAG's range is kicking your ass right now, while a looser LAG's range has a lot more garbage hands to bluff with.


BTW the concept of checking turns with outs and betting turns without outs is discussed in HP4AP. Although, they don't explan much how it's connected to the river.

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Theres no contradiction between those two statements you highlighted. If the hero had a 6 high flush draw, betting the turn has value in getting some other higher unpaired hand to fold. With the ace high flush draw, there are now no better unpaired hands that will fold. A9 is never folding the turn on that board, and nobody is folding a pair ever in this situation. BTW, I understand that saying words like "never" is not a good idea, and when I say "never" by definition I have to be wrong, but I do believe assuming A9 or any pair is never folding will be the mental model that will lead you to the most correct decisions.

How to play A7 with no draw is actually very tricky cuz we no longer have a hand that has to see the river. But everything else being equal I would be more inclinded to bet the turn with A7 no draw than A7 with a draw.