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Old 12-03-2006, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: 55$ QJ sorted UTG. blinds 50/100

OP,

sometimes in STTF we don't take the time to explain our reasonings behind hands we generally agree on to be standard.

you've gotten a little bit of that in this thread, and so I will explain a little bit to you here.


you have 1,100

if you raise to t300 and someone shoves over you
(assumedly they have you covered)

now we have to call 800 into 300+300+800 = 1400 pot.

now at this point we'd be correct to fold against that 99+,AJs+ range as earlier stated. (getting 1.4:1 as a 2;1 dog)

so our plan here is raise 28% of our stack
fold if someone pushes over
check/fold flop if cold-called and we whiff
(i think that was your flop plan it sounded like?)


sure, sometimes in exchange for this seemingly rather large risk we will add the blinds to our stack. (about 14% worth)
on rarer occassion, we'll win more when the following happens:

a) they only cold-call
b) we flop "big"
c) they don't flop as big
d) our hand holds if we do end up w/a showdown



seems like we're risking a lot for not that much return



as far as limping, I guess I *MIGHT* consider it if it has been an unusually tight table or an unusually loose/passive table. Thats rare...and even then I'm pretty sure its still a leak in the long run - but not as horrible a leak as it would be without either of those two extreme circumstances.

as far as shoving?
QJs = not the nutz
11 BBs = healthy


so those are a few of the reasons why I would simply ditch this hand preflop and why I wouldn't really raise or limp that much if ever.
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