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No, it would be cuel and unsual to make him responsible for the state's fees associated with making him pay...10 times the amount he owed.

And I don't think it would be a deterent either, (if the first cost they couldn't afford wasn't a deterent, why would 10 times it be one?), it would simply cause even more poor people to file for bankruptcy and be eternally destitue.

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Do you have the faintest idea of what you're talking about?

Jeez, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to make a guy pay for the state's efforts to hunt him down and force him to pay child support because it was 10x the amount he owed. It must be cruel and unusual punishment to make a guy who pleads guilty to a crime to pay for the state's expenses in preparing for trial, too...oh, wait, that's common.

You do realize that when the state requires payment for its expenditures here, it's a civil penalty and not a criminal one, right? Therefore, the 8th amendment doesn't even come into play. Don't just make things out of thin air.

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I was obviously using 'cruel and unusual' loosely ie meaning really really harsh, pointless and cruel and was not making an 8th amendment argument.

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Do you have the faintest idea of what you're talking about?

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You might want to work on your reading skills.

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This is a silly response. You imply that a state's action was/is cruel and unusual but later claim that you didn't mean it in the constitutional sense, rather you obviously meant it in the plain meaning sense. The constitutional sense of the phrase is the plain meaning of the phrase. You'd be hard pressed to find usage of the phrase that didn't refer to the constitutional meaning.

No one says that a state's action is "cruel and unusual" and then later makes a serious claim that they didn't mean it in the constitutional sense.

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First off, you're wrong, that's all there is to it. I did not contradict myself, you just misread.

Since this is simply a matter of your misinterpretation we have no argument.

bye.