[futuredoc85]

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Sometimes this is Ax that has put you solidly on TP and wants you to take a stab at the river, feeling you will fold on the turn.

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almost never, how do you put someone who checks the flop and turn solidly on TP? this statement is borderline moronic.

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It's no good talking about ranges if you then discount the range without reason.

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Ax will almost never minraise this river when every possible draw has hit, thus we discount it greatly even if we dont completely eliminate it.

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A flush draw needs to fold the flop, by the way.

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no, not really. Implied odds make this call ok as Eagles said







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He has written a post about hand ranges in which he narrows a hand range without any reason. I think it's reasonable to talk about that.

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it would be if he didnt have a reason but he did
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Yes. With reason. You cannot discount any part of the range for no good reason.

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see above

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if you put someone on a pfr range of TT+ AQ+ and they keep firing at an ace high board are you going to say well they could have TT JJ QQ KK my A2 is way ahead of his range.

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But in the one at hand, villain's bet fits quite a few different hands, not just a made flush, some of which you beat easily. Do you see the difference?

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i am beginning to think you are an idiot, you are beating very very little of the villains range.

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3.Nobody ever folds a flush draw on this flop, nor should they

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I'm done with you, son. I *want* you to call me with a flush draw on this flop. I *want* you to keep calling me, hoping to get lucky. Call me again on the turn because, hey, you still have great implied odds on the river. I *rely* on fish calling because they have flush draws. That's how the chips come my way.

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now its confirmed, you're an idiot. the fact that you "Want people you with a flush draw," and yet still advocate calling the river minraise when the flushdraw and the straight draw both hit means you need serious work at things way less complicated than handreading.

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call again on the turn blah blah blah blah

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you advocate leading flop and turn here with TPNK, 2ndPNK respectively, in a 3-way pot? Micro stakes NL is like 3 forums up i suggest you spend some time there before you even think about hand reading. And FWIW, you can't write my post off as a loyal supporter of pudge. IIRC, our only direct interaction on 2p2 was him calling me an idiot.