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Old 11-01-2006, 06:46 PM
drzen drzen is offline
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Default Re: Slowplay somes goot, right?

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Winning the minimum on two streets = bad.

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I am not sure that I agree that he won the minimum. For one he got someone over calling along until the river which adds extra bets. Also raising the flop may send the aggressor running for cover with missed overs.

The turn was not a good card to raise since it probably helps no one.

Raising the River is great because he has totally disguised the strength of his hand and he gets max value from AK. However raising the turn might be better still since any PP is going to call you down.

I don't know. I don't think hero extracts much more by playing this quickly and to me a slow play is in order since his hand is practically unbeatable. Coupled with an aggressive villain this is ok in my opinion.

However if someone could elaborate on a strategy to extract more I would be interested.

Greg

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I doubt whether UTG capped preflop with overcards unless he had AKs, and then I would not have expected him to bet the flop.

If UTG had KK or QQ, I suspect that a flop raise may have gained an extra flop bet, but usually lost the opportunity to gain an extra big bet by raising on the river.

As a K fell on the river in this hand, I expect that you would have had the same river action anyway, if UTG had had KK. (Perhaps that is what he did have.)

However, I suspect that you may have gained extra bets from UTG by raising the flop if he had AA.

I am not sure whether raising the flop would have caused the SB to fold. He seemed quite happy to call 2 cold preflop, and so for all we know he may also have called 2 on the flop.

Overall though, I agree with you that I dont think that OP played this hand badly, as it would seem that you would only be likely to gain more bets if UTG specifically had AA.

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Villain probably has KK and is going the maximum on the river no matter what the previous action. If he's doing that with AK, he's idiot enough to do it if we raised the flop. He could be doing it with AA, just not crediting us for the jack because we slowplayed but that's the only hand that you make less value from by playing the other streets harder. If we raise the flop, he's threebetting and we call, and he leads the safe turn. We raise, he calls. He'll still do the maximum on the river with KK.
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