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Old 10-10-2006, 11:16 PM
FUJItheFISH FUJItheFISH is offline
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Default Panel hand #2 - showdown

You actually call the raise. MP1 calls and MP3 chooses to fold.

Hero tables the nut flush, MP1 has three tens with ATo, and button has Q4s for the Queen high flush.

Hero wins 25.25 big bets.

<font color="blue">Befolder
Well I'm happy to say that my read on the button was correct. All this work deserves some of those actual BBs to be shiped to my Absolute account.

This was a tough hand to analyze. However, looking back at the pot odds, my equity in the hand and knowledge of our opponents, the decision were pretty clear cut, but I could be told otherwise by whatever reaction the forum has to our answers.

As far as my out discounting, I wouldn't mind someone commenting on if I was too conservative, or not enough. Total estimation on my part.

Thanks for selecting me to do this Fuji. Hopefully it's helpful to others, and if not, hopefully the criticism of my analysis is helpful to me.
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<font color="red">Ampelmann
I'm not quite sure what to write as an overall review, since I think hero played this hand perfectly. But I'll try.

In my opinion hero played this hand perfectly. He correctly raised his strong multiway hand prefop because of a big equity edge against potentially weak hands from loose players. On the flop he correctly bet his strong draw, but since the board was paired he could not raise this to infinity. After the raise the overcards are likely no outs at all, and the value of the flush draw was lowered, so he only called to keep as many players in as possible.

Since the draw didn't come in on the turn and it was impossible to take the pot with a semi-bluff here check/called and called the raise. Folding is absolutely no option here, and raising would be spew.

The draw came in on the river, but this is not the time for a c/r. Hero can't really know who will bet (or if anyone will bet at all, they may fear the scare card), and a boat will 3-bet. So he bets out, hoping to get crying calls from trips and weaker hands. After button woke up, raising would have been bad: If hero has the best hand he may only get one additional bet (button's), and if he loses he has to pay one more. So he calls, going for overcalls.

The showdown is great, hero wins a huge pot and has the additional satisfaction of having played good poker. </font>

<font color="purple">DrModern
Well, though the button's hand was ridiculously obvious, I have to say I'm a little surprised by MP3's river fold getting crazy odds closing the action. I think I might make a note about his flop play. Something along the lines of "bluff raise against many on paired flop." I am not terribly surprised by MP1's holding--just one of those "TRIPS!!1 zomg slowroll it!!" guys.

Overall I think this hand was fairly straightforward, though I feel like we missed opportunities for extracting maximum value on the river. I am confident that, given the hand reading we'd done throughout the hand, there's no way this river would have gotten checked through, or that enough players would have folded that going for a check-raise would have been a bad idea. I think this would have given us the best chance of winning the max here. Though, in retrospect, the donk bet was not so bad, but had any player folded to it, or had they responded passively, we could easily have gotten a lot a lot less out of it.

I haven't got much else to say by way of a synopsis of the way the hand was played. I enjoyed doing this. Thanks to Fuji for selecting me as a panelist.

Shout outs to the rest of the Farmland Mob!

For reals!

holla!!!

(p.s. I hope shadow comes back soon) </font>

<font color="green">Bilgefisher
My overall thought, this was an excellent hand post. Many things to think of. My check raise on the turn did differ from the way the hand was played. I still like the check raise to get mp1 and mp2 off their hands. I am looking forward to the feedback. Overall I would say I was caught off guard 2 times in this hand. I did not expect the check raise from MP1 on the turn nor the button on the river. I got caught concentrating on the nice and shiny (oooh shiny...good thing it didn't jingle too) raise by mp3 and cold call by the button on the flop.

The slowdown on the turn and raise on the river by the button also caught me off guard. (It probably shouldn't have considering his flop cold call).

Three key things in this hand imo. The paired board, large pot and multiway hand.

The paired board had me cautious the whole hand. The pot was way to large to let go from the begginning. Enough chips to keep me donating the whole hand. The large field also had me searching for ways to minimize the field. Although not many great ways presented themselves. I think if a 6 of hearts would have been the nastiest card to come on the river. Good hand Fuji. (**Fuji’s note: Thank Aaron W for the hand.) </font>

Edit credit: DrModern

Fuji:
I think on paper this hand may seem simple, boring, and redundant but I really challenge some of you to actually play this level-headed when multitabling. I can't count the number of times where I would just go into raising wars in hands like these.
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