[Phil153]

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(Calling to mind one poster's repeated brags of questionable plays which he believes are great...)

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Um, they were joke posts which generated interesting discussion. Nice hand reading skills, morph.

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If you want to restrict the info, it's only because one, you have a mediocre confidence in your game at best, and two, you have no desire to improve your game at all.

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Let's make another generalization: people who resort to attacking their opponents instead of discussing the issue objectively usually do so because of a lack of substance in their own arguments.

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Btw, O8 in any form is not simpler than hold'em. That's a myth. Any game that has more than two unknown cards, is simply more complicated than a game with only two.

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Nice analysis, but completely mistaken. The time taken for an average player to both stop losing money and become an expert are significantly shorter in PLO8 than any other game. It's not just a matter of counting cards. The split pot nature of the game, the pot limit betting structure and the frequency of nut hands mean that the game has far more certainty, and it's far easier to approach optimal play with a very little study (or intelligence). This is not true for any other game.

Bottom line, games do change because of books, especially online with the added issues of multitabling and support software. If you disagree with me then you disagree with Ray Zee also (see the quote above.)