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Let me preface this by saying that I have respect for [censored] and his modding style of OOT. I'm not calling for his head. Through my limited conversations with him and what I have observed, he appears to me to be level-headed and well-intentioned.

My contention has always been, and remains to be, the true value of OOT itself.

I can't help but to observe how these statements appear to me to be directly contradictory of each other (emphasis mine):

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Jim Kuhn and Mike Haven do an excellent job of handling the second toughest forum on the site. However, when Jim (or others, etc.) say [censored] should go, they're coming from a limited perspective. And they are wrong. Even though people, including Mason and Ed are loathe to admit it, the newest and biggest customer base we have is comprised of men younger than 25, and what that implies. Getting that base to the forums and interested in poker through our non-gambling doors is good for the whole company. I really believe it is.

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How could the sticky in oot, a non-strategy forum, which attracts people who are drawn to it's circus-like atmosphere and come to the site for that purpose, turn people off to the books and strategy forums they had no interest in in the first place?

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If these new posters who came to OOT for the porn & circus of OOT only and have no interest in poker or gambling, what in OOT is going to bring them in to the gambling world & start buying books & becoming productive members of the strat forums?

Maybe somebody else can, but I cannot recall of a single poster in SSNL who came to 2p2 solely for the porn & circus and then became a poker player.

Quite to the contrary, I can think of many posters -- in many cases, very high-profile posters -- who went the other way. They came to 2p2 for the poker, contributed a ton & were a huge asset to the strat forums, made a bunch of money, and then stopped posting strat advice & went to OOT instead. There they contribute to the drama by stirring the pot, sucking in other valued strat posters.