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Basically dead against 9, 6+ outs against 12, 3 outs against 18, tie with 9. If we knew we've got 6 outs it's an easy call, we could even call with 3 but wouldn't want to face a bet on the turn. A raise here (assuming MP calls) is 8:1 but probably shuts down the action from almost anything that beats us and gives a chance to check through with position.
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One of the problems you have to consider when counting outs is that you have the potential to hit an ace or king and still be behind, losing more bets. Reverse implied odds factor in greatly here.
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