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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-25-2007, 11:39 AM
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Posted By Rduke55
Re: I can\'t believe I\'m starting a race thread...

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I still have some objections as to *all* speciation lines being purely scientific but that's merely nit picking and academic BS.

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They all aren't -there certainly are...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-18-2007, 01:18 AM
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Posted By Rduke55
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It's not a hedge, just language that can be accepted by an scientist who's an expert in this field. I'm asking for an honest expert opinion. He's free to modify the language to something...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-18-2007, 01:09 AM
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Posted By Rduke55
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State, for the record, that you believe there are significant differences between ethnics groups in intelligence, and that these differences are probably due, in significant part, to a...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 11:46 PM
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Posted By Rduke55
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Race is a social construct because it is an oversimplification of human genetic diversity.

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If we killed everyone that ever used the term "social...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 11:34 PM
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Posted By Rduke55
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since we have albino blacks

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And people with black skin that are more related to other populations than they are to african ones, etc.
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 11:28 PM
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Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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Mr. "social construct" above try to hide behind that fact.

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Is that referring to me?

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Because it helps us to understand why education and training...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 08:55 PM
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Posted By Rduke55
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But if thats the case, why call it race?

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Tradition.
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 08:50 PM
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Posted By Rduke55
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Take some human children from any country or culture in the world. It doesn't matter what society they are from, or whether they've even had any exposure to people of a different race....
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 08:40 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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The enormous difference in the usefulness of the two classifications makes the tiny task of asking or determining ethnicity well, well worth it.

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I agree with that...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 05:46 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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But then we are back at the beginning. Race is useful as long as you have a useful definition of race. I agree with you that we currently do not have one, and that what most people think...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 05:40 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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I'm sorry, I interpreted your quote in roughly the following way, "I don't really care about the particulars of genetic classification--racial divisions...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 05:34 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
Re: I can\'t believe I\'m starting a race thread...

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And RDuke I'm sorry this thread has gotten away from your initial question, but that tends to happen in discussions about race.

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It certainly does, which is why I almost...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 05:32 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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I'm sorry, I interpreted your quote in roughly the following way, "I don't really care about the particulars of genetic classification--racial divisions based on skin color...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 02:03 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
Re: I can\'t believe I\'m starting a race thread...

I like the fix.
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 01:59 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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Clearly a construct. I have two different 'species' until I put them in geographical proximity and they interbreed.

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Did you miss the point that they cannot produce...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 01:12 PM
Replies: 93
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Posted By Rduke55
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Isn't the latter just restating the former?
"reproductively isolated" = "cannot make fertile offspring".

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I intentionally restated it to pre-empt the liger argument.
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 01:02 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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So are species.

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Species according to Mayr - groups of actually or potentially interbreeding natural populations which are reproductively isolated from other such...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
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But I was debating with people IRL (!) about this and I remember seeing a statement that I'm trying to figure out whether I like it or not.

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Race is a social...
Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy 01-17-2007, 12:11 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 360
Posted By Rduke55
I can\'t believe I\'m starting a race thread...

But I was debating with people IRL (!) about this and I remember seeing a statement that I'm trying to figure out whether I like it or not.

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Race is a social construct because it is an...
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