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Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 03:51 PM
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Posted By pvn
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Moral systems are subjective in my opinion. However, some are objectively superior to others. Ones that are consistent are superior to inconsistent ones. I don't believe it's...
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 02:12 PM
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Two questions, I guess:

A.) It is morally acceptable for you to force me off land that you claim to own if I don't believe in ownership?
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 12:44 PM
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No, I don't own any property. I'm just building a wall where I happen to be at a particular time. I then leave later. You're in mexico, you want to go to canada, I build a...
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 12:43 PM
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Posted By pvn
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Two questions, I guess:

A.) It is morally acceptable for you to force me off land that you claim to own if I don't believe in ownership?

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Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 11:48 AM
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Posted By pvn
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In that hypothetical, I have a right to move freely as long as I am not interfering with anyone else.

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I think we might need to define "right" here....
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 11:43 AM
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Posted By pvn
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Fundamentally, the basis for the legitimacy of the state, the constitution, democracy, and whatever rights are guaranteed under it, is that people like it. They are...
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 11:14 AM
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Posted By pvn
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Oh, so you are saying you have a *right* to go to a particular place? How is this different than owning that particular place?

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In that hypothetical, I have...
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 10:01 AM
Replies: 149
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Posted By pvn
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Fundamentally, the basis for the legitimacy of the state, the constitution, democracy, and whatever rights are guaranteed under it, is that people like it. They are happier with a state...
Forum: Politics 07-11-2007, 09:59 AM
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Posted By pvn
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Circular how?

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The behavior that is restricted is not any behavior that you had any right to engage in to begin with.

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Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 10:10 PM
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Posted By pvn
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Circular how?

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The behavior that is restricted is not any behavior that you had any right to engage in to begin with.

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That's circular, you use your view...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 10:05 PM
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Posted By pvn
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I want to go rape children and stab people and all u statists and acists want to impose your morality on me (therefore everyone is wrong but me).

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Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 06:10 PM
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Posted By pvn
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It’s not a question of belief. It’s a question of behavior. What an ACist believes is not equal and opposite to what a Statist believes. A Statist...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 05:02 PM
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It’s not a question of belief. It’s a question of behavior. What an ACist believes is not equal and opposite to what a Statist believes. A Statist believes that his/her...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 05:01 PM
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Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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Nick is not saying "Other rights might sometimes be more important than property rights" like you are. He is saying "What if person X doesn't believe in...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 04:15 PM
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Posted By pvn
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Ding ding ding. Without ownership, you devolve to might makes right. Have fun with that.

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You can still be morally opposed to the use...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 04:12 PM
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Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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Nick is not saying "Other rights might sometimes be more important than property rights" like you are. He is saying "What if person X doesn't believe in property rights (at...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 04:10 PM
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Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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Nick do you recognize that if no one can enforce a property claim over a piece of land, no one would be willing to make a permanent improvement to the land, such as any kind of...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 04:07 PM
Replies: 149
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Posted By pvn
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I believe you got an answer numerous times from pvn and perhaps others, but please link the thread if I'm wrong.

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This is the thread in question....
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 04:05 PM
Replies: 149
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Posted By pvn
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Ding ding ding. Without ownership, you devolve to might makes right. Have fun with that.

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You can still be morally opposed to the use of force without...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 03:52 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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I don't believe I am entitled to stay, but I do believe I am entitled to not be assaulted (as long as I am not assaulting anyone else).


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So if...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 03:37 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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I don't believe I am entitled to stay, but I do believe I am entitled to not be assaulted (as long as I am not assaulting anyone else).


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So if I own a...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 03:36 PM
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Posted By pvn
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As I have mentioned in other threads, AC is incompatible with a non-belief in property rights, and will ultimately end up forcibly coercing people who do...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 03:35 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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As I have mentioned in other threads, AC is incompatible with a non-belief in property rights, and will ultimately end up forcibly coercing people who do not...
Forum: Politics 07-10-2007, 01:59 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 795
Posted By pvn
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Indeed. I have been long been sympathetic to your point that the moral argument for AC isn't very compelling. Some people do reject the notion that "taxation is theft"; I think Arfinn in...
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