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Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 01:59 PM
Replies: 143
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Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Ok, so there's one that is just barely worse than 8:1. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Deleted my post when I saw the word "range."

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Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 01:52 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Ok, give me a reasonable possible holding for Villain and a reasonable RANGE for Hero where Villain is an 8:1 dog, please.
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 01:01 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

I don't think you have the "ability" to disagree with Foucault, rockin. He's stating a fact. We're talking about Villain actually making a mistake if the cards were face up.

It's obvious that...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 12:49 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Because this is a bubble situation, $EV can sometimes trump cEV. It probably shouldn't to Hero here, though the $EV of having a much larger stack going into the ITM portion is a factor. Having a big...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 12:14 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

This is a weird, yet compelling thread. This certainly is a "unique" situation of sorts given Hero's holding, Villain's incredibly stupid preflop raise, and the bubble implications. I almost feel...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 10:57 AM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

The counter-argument that stevepa, NoahSD, and others are giving is that you can check those kinds of flops and expect the other guy to push anyway, since he's so desperate.

Personally, I think...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 05:09 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

That's kinda silly. A lot more hands with aces would call a raise than hands with queens or jacks. I mean, while obviously nobody should fold anything in this case, an ace on the flop SHOULD make the...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 05:03 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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seke,
Check an A or K-high flop.

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Ok, but then, by principle, we aren't doing a stop and go, right? Or does it still "count" as one because we're committing to getting...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 05:00 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Honestly, when stevepa, betgo, NoahSD, and nath are disagreeing with me, and I actually think I'm right, I want to continue the discussion because I'm probably wrong and don't understand why.
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

What's "bad" that can come from it is letting Villain fold on the rare occasion that Hero hits the flop hard and he has something like a low pair, when Hero would have gotten paid off for the extra...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 04:16 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

I personally still think it's very slightly -cEV to give the other guy another chance to make a decision here because you let Villain get away on the very rare occasion that he's willing to fold to a...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 03:48 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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all you let him do is get away on the incredibly rare occasion when his hand is so weak compared to the flop that there is basically 0 chance he's ahead

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Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 03:32 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Every time someone posts a stop and go with 99+, AK, AQ, etc., the basic response is "Don't stop and go with good hands."

What makes this any different?

I think, on average, you lose more by...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 03:10 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Because it's likely a good thing that he gets away from the flop. There are enough times he makes a mistake by folding the flop when he has the 3 outs...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 03:04 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Because it's likely a good thing that he gets away from the flop. There are enough times he makes a mistake by folding the flop when he has the 3 outs or whatever he needs to...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 01:33 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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You are assuming villain only folds when hero makes top pair. Maybe the flop comes JT9 and villain folds 22 when he ahead. Or Maybe it comes 753 and he folds QJs.

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Yes, I...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 01:18 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Betgo, I tried some numbers. Assuming Villain only ever folds stuff like low pocket pairs on a really bad flop (where Hero flops top pair), he's not making a mistake to fold. He'd be getting 8:1 or...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 12:32 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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To those who don't like it, is there anything bad that can come from doing it? I really don't think so. If he calls everytime it's the same as if you pushed preflop. If he ever folds then...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 12:18 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By seke2
Re: Stop and Go with AK

All the chips get in this hand anyway. I'd rather get it in preflop when I'm probably the favorite. Why would you let him even consider getting away from something stupid like 22-55 on a really nasty...
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