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Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 06:06 PM
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Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Hard to find non-poker situations that are relevant to poker, but I tried.


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it's the thought that counts
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 06:02 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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I'm still not clear as to why a stopngo is better when we are probably better than 60/40 against villain's range.

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Just because we are in a +cEV situation...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 05:57 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Let's say you're drunk and you offer your friend a bet. You'll give him $10 if coin comes up heads three times in a row, and he gives you $1 if it doesn't.

Would you rather your friend...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 05:30 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Ace,
I agree that there's not much of an EV difference between stop and going here and pushing (although you seem to think it's much closer than it actually is. I've gotten folds on this...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 05:12 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

Sorry, but now I'm confused. With the exception of my errant 2nd post or whatever in this thread, which I sort of retracted, I haven't said anything to the contrary of what you just quoted. Have I?...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 04:16 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Rockin, are you familiar with the Fundamental Theorem of Poker?

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Only what has been discussed in this forum.
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 02:06 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Our objective is to deceive him about our range such that he, on the belief that he is playing correctly

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One BB does not give villain or hero a whole lot of room for...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 02:03 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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You should cool it with the arrogant tone, because it only emphasizes how fundamentally misguided your thinking is here.


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Your kidding right? Your speaking for Steve...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 01:56 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Ok, give me a reasonable possible holding for Villain and a reasonable RANGE for Hero where Villain is an 8:1 dog, please.

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after the flop?

Just an example:
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 01:11 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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I don't think you have the "ability" to disagree with Foucault, rockin. He's stating a fact. We're talking about Villain actually making a mistake if the cards were face up.

It's...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 12:56 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Every time we give villain proper odds to call it is NOT profitable for him and therefore -EV for us. I can think of quite few examples. This thread being one (i.e. AA4 flop...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 12:53 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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THIS IS OVER ONE GODDAMN BIG [censored] BLIND!!!!!



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Here are the 4 scenarios:
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 11:01 AM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

I also would hate to think of our image after just cold calling villain with 1bb left in his stack and we are holding AKo. Might this not have SOME metagame effect. Be it positive or negative.
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 10:57 AM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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If the flop comes AAK, he is not getting proper odds to call and we miss out on that 4k. His fold would not be a mistake, making not putting him in PF a mistake.

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why...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 08:32 AM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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...the only possible outcome is that a worse hand (unpaired overcards to the flop) would fold. As such, you are clearly making a -CEV move by forcing a worse hand to fold.
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Forum: MTT Strategy 06-09-2006, 08:24 AM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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So what's the problem with my theory here then:

I think, more often than not, you are letting him get away when you're way ahead. Very rarely, he's getting away when he was a...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 03:10 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Because it's likely a good thing that he gets away from the flop. There are enough times he makes a mistake by folding the flop when he has the 3 outs or whatever...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 03:07 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Because it's likely a good thing that he gets away from the flop. There are enough times he makes a mistake by folding the flop when he has the 3 outs or whatever...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 02:56 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

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Because it's likely a good thing that he gets away from the flop. There are enough times he makes a mistake by folding the flop when he has the 3 outs or whatever he needs to justify...
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 01:23 PM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

All in all without any reads on this guy being a total donk, stopngo = push. We are SO far ahead of his range, why would we ever give him a chance to get away from the flop?
Forum: MTT Strategy 06-08-2006, 09:34 AM
Replies: 143
Views: 440
Posted By rockin
Re: Stop and Go with AK

really don't understand this. Villain has 1bb left behind, is he that big of a donk, that he would fold postflop?
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