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Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 06:02 PM
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Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 04:19 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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And btw, I would appreciate an apology for your claim that I switched the claims I was making, or substantiation that I did.

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Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 04:19 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Passing an actuarial exam is extremely valuable, with a present value of something on the order of $15,000 PER EXAM, and probably a few thousand takers per sitting for the early exams....
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 03:59 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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The claims were that existing exams are not good predictors no matter where you attended school, and that it is impossible to design more effective ones. Both claims are patently false....
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 01:34 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
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Who is imposing what on who now? Parents and employers can choose to ignore the results and make any criteria they want for a prospective school or employee.

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Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 01:21 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

Copernicus is also ignoring that the actuarial test, even if it was standardized, is not given across such a large population as the ACT or SAT is. As I showed earlier, this would make it much more...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 12:27 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Who is imposing what on who now? Parents and employers can choose to ignore the results and make any criteria they want for a prospective school or employee.

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NOT...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 12:22 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Their predictive value (like that of oxford sweaters) says nothing of their ability to objectively measure quality of education which is exactly what you advocated using them...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 03:57 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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This is the crap that ETS and the College Board and GMAC use to sell their illegitamate tests. Correlation =/= causation. <font color="red"> Strawman. You don't understand the difference...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 02:51 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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SATs are still the second highest predictor of college success, not signficantly lower than high school GPA, when measuring freshman grades. ACT scores are a very signficant predictor of...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 02:13 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Someone who is lazy about learning in a public school will be lazy about learning in a private school.

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Good. Since nothing will change for the lazy students, it's a moot...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 01:58 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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There is no current monopoly. There are numerous opportunities for private schooling.

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Hogwash. You have a tax-subsidized market dominator who engages in nothing less than...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 01:50 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Whether SATs are or aren't objective, and how close they are to being objective, designing objective tests obviously can be done. Until then SATs and other standardized tests are a...
Forum: Politics 09-07-2007, 01:29 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Because education is not a "product"

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Neither is labor, but you yourself indicated the cost improvements we'd see in the presence of competition. Why not the labor of...
Forum: Politics 09-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Despite claims of "social biases" in testing, its not exactly rocket science. The study above focuses on 4th and 8th grade scores, SAT scores are a good substitute at the 11th grade level....
Forum: Politics 09-06-2007, 12:13 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Some less obvious examples...the savings in number of police needed on the streets during school hours, reduced crime rates overall

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We could...
Forum: Politics 09-05-2007, 01:26 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Some less obvious examples...the savings in number of police needed on the streets during school hours, reduced crime rates overall

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We could accomplish the same thing with...
Forum: Politics 08-29-2007, 12:18 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
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You're using a different conception of "free riding" for food than you are for education. You say that I benefit from someone else getting educated, so I should pay for it so that I don't...
Forum: Politics 08-29-2007, 12:11 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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The cost of education, when borne by the users plus a few philanthropists, would be out of reach for most families.

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The cost of education is not fixed. People think...
Forum: Politics 08-29-2007, 03:28 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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The desire for food is a basic need that everyone understands, there is no need for the gov. to pass laws making eating compulsory. Education is different, it's almost as vital but some...
Forum: Politics 08-28-2007, 12:28 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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In a world of privatly owned schools there will always be some cost to the parent, right?

What happens to the kids of the junky/breadline/neglectful/lazy parent who refuses to, or...
Forum: Politics 08-27-2007, 02:25 AM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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Another fine commentary on public school system can be found here: Tom McClintock says it straight (http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_detail.asp?PID=292)

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Forum: Politics 08-25-2007, 04:49 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
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Cost may be regional, since I only researched costs in NJ, but there are no high schools without endowments or subsidies that are cheaper than public schools.

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Cheaper to...
Forum: Politics 08-25-2007, 04:46 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
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Private schools often operate for less then you pay in property or other taxes to attend school. Not only would poor kids be able to go to school, it would cost less.

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Forum: Politics 08-24-2007, 07:52 PM
Replies: 173
Views: 610
Posted By Misfire
Re: Black market schools

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I find it amusing that you post an article showing how private schools are servicing poor communities throughout the third and developing world. The statists on this forum completely...
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